Comments on: SB 275 — Signature Removal from Initiatives http://www.utahbecky.com/blog/2010/03/sb-275-signature-removal-from-initiatives/ Representing Utah House District 20 Tue, 07 Feb 2012 03:07:42 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.3.1 By: WILLIAM http://www.utahbecky.com/blog/2010/03/sb-275-signature-removal-from-initiatives/comment-page-1/#comment-773 WILLIAM Sun, 18 Dec 2011 11:56:42 +0000 http://www.utahbecky.com/2010/03/sb-275-signature-removal-from-initiatives/#comment-773 I've bookmarked your weblog.Many thanks for your useful info. I’ve bookmarked your weblog.Many thanks for your useful info.

]]> By: Becky http://www.utahbecky.com/blog/2010/03/sb-275-signature-removal-from-initiatives/comment-page-1/#comment-411 Becky Mon, 08 Mar 2010 22:50:20 +0000 http://www.utahbecky.com/2010/03/sb-275-signature-removal-from-initiatives/#comment-411 Hey, Bob, I appreciate the clarification. Thanks for reading! Hey, Bob, I appreciate the clarification. Thanks for reading!

]]> By: bob bernick http://www.utahbecky.com/blog/2010/03/sb-275-signature-removal-from-initiatives/comment-page-1/#comment-410 bob bernick Mon, 08 Mar 2010 22:32:56 +0000 http://www.utahbecky.com/2010/03/sb-275-signature-removal-from-initiatives/#comment-410 Hi becky, you have a good analysis here. However, you say that an initiative needs 26 of 29 counties. the Utah Supreme Court actually struck down that law several years ago on a one-man, one-vote issue. The current law says 10 percent os voter signatures must be collected in 26 of 29 state Senate districts. bob bernick deseret news Hi becky, you have a good analysis here. However, you say that an initiative needs 26 of 29 counties. the Utah Supreme Court actually struck down that law several years ago on a one-man, one-vote issue. The current law says 10 percent os voter signatures must be collected in 26 of 29 state Senate districts.

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]]> By: Aaron Rennaker http://www.utahbecky.com/blog/2010/03/sb-275-signature-removal-from-initiatives/comment-page-1/#comment-386 Aaron Rennaker Thu, 04 Mar 2010 14:23:02 +0000 http://www.utahbecky.com/2010/03/sb-275-signature-removal-from-initiatives/#comment-386 Rep. Edwards - Utahn's For Ethical government have changed the rules by implementing on line signatures for the petition in the middle of the game. For UEG the ends justify the means and I am truly disappointed that you think it is okay for the initiative backers to change the rules in the middle of the game but it is not right for government to do the same. Speaking of changing the rules in mid-game, there is a reason why the AG & LG said they will throw out electronic petition signatures, yet Utahns for Ethical Government have claimed that they will challenge this in court. * The Legislature has not yet considered all the ways they may change the paper based petition process to an electronic one. * All evidence I've seen so far says that the electronic signatures act was made for the purpose of e-commerce, without any thought to initiative petitions. * Other electronic services had to be offered by the state before they became a reality. * The people who gather signatures have certain duties that are clearly spelled out in the law. These duties include how to collect signatures and how to certify that everyone signed in their presence. These duties were acceptable to UEG when they started, and they should not be allowed to get out of performing these duties. * UEG is not the legislature and can not assume how the law should be altered to accommodate electronic signatures. If they wanted to do that they would have to provide the text of a proposed amendment and circulate a petition to make that change. Rep. Edwards – Utahn’s For Ethical government have changed the rules by implementing on line signatures for the petition in the middle of the game. For UEG the ends justify the means and I am truly disappointed that you think it is okay for the initiative backers to change the rules in the middle of the game but it is not right for government to do the same.

Speaking of changing the rules in mid-game, there is a reason why the AG & LG said they will throw out electronic petition signatures, yet Utahns for Ethical Government have claimed that they will challenge this in court.

* The Legislature has not yet considered all the ways they may change the paper based petition process to an electronic one.
* All evidence I’ve seen so far says that the electronic signatures act was made for the purpose of e-commerce, without any thought to initiative petitions.
* Other electronic services had to be offered by the state before they became a reality.
* The people who gather signatures have certain duties that are clearly spelled out in the law. These duties include how to collect signatures and how to certify that everyone signed in their presence. These duties were acceptable to UEG when they started, and they should not be allowed to get out of performing these duties.
* UEG is not the legislature and can not assume how the law should be altered to accommodate electronic signatures. If they wanted to do that they would have to provide the text of a proposed amendment and circulate a petition to make that change.

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